Saturday, July 25, 2009

How come there's a black chick in "Merlin"?


I've recently started watching the British series Merlin. It's not bad, not great, but a reasonable time-filler while I cook dinner. And the Arthurian legend is a cracking tale. Plus it reminds me of my younger days as a Dungeons & Dragons-playing nerd. But I digress.

It is the cast selection - mostly unknowns - which I find particularly interesting. Yes, there's the always good Anthony Head (of Buffy fame) and Bradley James as Arthur looks like Radiohead's Thom Yorke except ridiculously good-looking. And Guinevere, destined to one day become Arthur's bride, is played by Angel Coulby. Who is black.

Yeah, that's right. Apparently there were black folks in medieval England. Well, at least in this version. There is no explanation for this, she just happens to be black. The producers it seems are envisioning a fantasy world in which skin colour is not an issue.

Now you can look at this in two ways. Ethnic minorities always wish they were more represented on TV. So its a good thing, right, that a black woman gets to play one of the lead characters? Remember Morgan Freeman in Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves? (He was one of the only good things about that movie.)

However not many people seem to share this view. A quick browse of blogs and forums reveals many viewers who find it ridiculous. Which is understandable. It seems like a blatantly PC move which flouts any notion of historical accuracy. Well, maybe not historical accuracy per se, since Merlin is pure fantasy, but you know what I mean. You wouldn't throw random European actors into Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon to play Chinese noblemen, so why do the equivalent here? Since it is apparently set it Britain circa the 5th Century AD, surely they should try and capture the feel of the era. Back then, ethnic diversity meant the Angles and the Saxons.

But then again, the show has a friggin' dragon in it. And unicorns and fairy-type creatures. And Merlin shoots people with blue fireballs. So if you can accept all those things, why is a black woman too fantastical a creature to fathom in a medieval fantasy series?



UPDATE:

Ok you knuckleheads, I'm closing the comment thread on this one. Too much racist idiocy in the comment section, I can't be arsed having to read it anymore. I am leaving the existing comments up because it will give you a taste of how stupidly racist people are willing to get over a f*cking TV show about wizards. Wizards!

Trigger warning for those of you who don't wish to read racist abuse. Read on at your own peril.


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69 comments:

  1. Someone told me once that there were black people but I didn't believe them.
    Maybe she was a slave? Or a silk road commuter?

    I think the Merlin story is supposed to be Welsh. I was on a British Airways flight yesterday that had a 30 second promotion for Welsh business before each in-flight movie. Half the promotion seemed to have a happy black man in it (cool by association?). I think he was Daffyd Token, the only black man in the vullage.

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  2. Heyo - Recent convert to your blog and first-time commenter. ;)

    Really enjoyed this post - I've often wondered the same thing when I've skimmed across this show and sometimes watched half an episode (mostly cos it's a very pretty cast - I'm nothin' if not shallow...). The recent BBC series of Robin Hood had various minority characters in it (some ongoing) and much mention of the Crusades and Moors...perhaps this is how historical Brit shows recuperate some 'rainbow' effect in their casting?!

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  3. @ Bonoboboy, yes its true, "Merlin" contains such mythical creatures as fairies, elves and negroes.

    @ Tseen, I too have ogled various fair maidens among the cast of Merlin. Embrace your shallowness.

    I find minority characters in Robin Hood easier to accept, since it is set around the time of the crusades and there was some (limited) contact between England and the Muslim world. Black folks in the Arthurian world is a bit more of a credibility stretch, although I look forward to a Bangladeshi Sir Lancelot.

    Anyway, Guinevere is hot so I don't really care. (Hotness trumps all arguments.)

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    1. Are you crazy? Hot? That bitch is the ugliest woman in the world. You have extremely bad taste in women. I'd rather fuck a horse.

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    2. You. Are. Disgusting. Angel Coulby is extremely talented and beautiful, and how DARE you degrade women and People of Color like that. And apparently women are only valuable based on whether you'd want to sleep with them? Yeah, too bad no woman would to be within 50 feet of a disgusting, racist, misogynistic arsehole like you.

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  4. There have been reports of "black" people in England and all around the world before the middle ages.
    Also; considering Guinevere is a maid, I don't find it too unrealistic.

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  5. "Bonoboboy, yes its true, "Merlin" contains such mythical creatures as fairies, elves and negroes."

    Wow.for someone to be of mixed race yourself,you sure do have such a hateful way about you.I don't know what you call black people where you live but since it's 2011 we don't call blacks "negroes"your comment was tasteless and disgusting.first you call this beautiful women a negro then you said she's hot?what a back-handed slur.

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    1. She should be someones property and off picking fucking cotton. How's that? Stupid fucking nigger bitch needs to be tossed and then have a *real* woman step into the role as Guinevere. That fucking simple.

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    2. How would you feel if someone said that about your mother? Get a life and end the hate.

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  6. @ Anon: I also describe negroes as mythical creatures. Is that hateful as well?

    At worst, "negro" is outdated and politically incorrect.

    There is a thing called context. Maybe you should consider the overall tone and context of this post before you come to the conclusion that I'm hateful and disgusting.

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    1. Coulby is just a worthless fucking nigger. That simple.

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    2. look in the mirror before you comment about anyone

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  7. Are you sure that girl is black? She looks pretty mixed. I doubt she's playing a black character, however.

    Anyway, the Internet is going crazy over the movie THOR, also. Idris Elba has been cast as Heimdall, and of course, the movie is loosely based on comic books, which are loosely based on Scandinavian myth, and it's killing many white folk, since Heimdall, besides being Scandinavian, is also known as the "white god."

    I was researching TV tropes and found the Black Viking trope. Black Vikings. And, I did an entire post about token black characters, and how annoying it has become.

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    1. Your absolutely right! Would Marvel cast a white man to play Powerman or Black Panther??? So don't do it to our White Characters.

      Elektra is Japanese not white, Kingpin is White not Black, Nick Fury is White not Black, I could go on.

      keep it Authentic!!! Stop casting just to appease ethnic groups..

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  8. She looks exotic! She's not that dark and might not necessarily be of black ancestry. I think she could pass as a number of European nationalities namely.. Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Greek. I don't know what her ancestry is but I think on Merlin she could represent a variety of nationalities if she wanted too!
    She's could even be white, lots of people I know who are from white parents, turned out slightly darker due to genetics… Kate Middleton’s (Princess Kate’s) sister Pippa is an example.. and her brother!!!

    Not to mention maids were usually a bit darker in medieval England anyway because they would be out in the sun working, unlike Morgana who as the king’s ward would get everything handed to her on a silver platter! She’s also really relatable because she doesn’t try to attain the stereotypical airbrushed look that they try so hard to apply on Morgana with makeup! Instead she exudes a natural beauty and wholesomeness that Morgana’s character fails to achieve. White pasty skin can get really boring when EVERY single character portrays that characteristic. Variety in colour adds excitement! In fact, I think more women and men of colour should be introduced to the sow! I really think this version of Gwen plays a large role in why the show is so successful… imagine if she was the stereotypical pasty, blonde Gwen.. she would probably resemble Arthur!! Boring much??!!! Ever heard of opposites attracting??!! Love the diversity that Gwen brings :)

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    1. She's a shit-skinned monkey. Nothing more.

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    2. thats you're mother you're confusing her with. sorry. get your facts straight before you make idiotic comments.

      man up and stop posting under anonymous or are you just a coward? well it wouldn't be surprising based on your comments.

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    3. Niggas in Camelot!!! better title for the show

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  9. she's a quadroon at best

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  10. Who cares, white people get cast as black characters constantly and they get like 90% of hollywood jobs so anyone with a problem needs to keep it moving. Angelina Jolie- supposed to be cleopatra (serial offender as the role she played in wanted was a black woman and in a mighty heart)Kevin Spacey "pay it forward", just a couple

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    1. sorry but Cleopatra was NOT black. She was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, a family of Greekorigin that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great's death during the Hellenistic period. The Ptolemies, throughout their dynasty, spoke Greek and refused to speak Egyptian. There's a statue of her on Wiki - I honestly can't think of a whiter girl then her.
      Just wanted to put it out there.

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  11. all a bunch of racist... grow up and see there is no black or just white anymore... and history is never told 100% right so how do you know what ethnicity there was you was not there

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  12. You have some ignorant people posting here. First, if Angel Coulby (?) is black, BIG WHOOP. Being black is not an affliction or a curse except to stupid whites who think the world revolves around them. Second, this is a friggin' fantasy. Who the hell cares? Everything is being revamped for a 21st century audience. Deal with it. And finally, black people have always been in the world. If you looked beyond the European continent, you'd know that.

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    1. Somebody needs to beat the fucking shit out of you. Niggers *are* a fucking affliction, you sympathizer. They need to be either working and told what to do by whites, who *are* superior, or off swinging on vines in Africa killing each other. Those pieces of black shit need to thank us for all we've done for them, not bitch and cry.

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    2. You must really hate yourself, if you didn't you wouldnt feel so much hate toward others. Like a parachute a mind functions best when open, try opening yours sometimes.

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  13. There were few black people back then, some enslaved, some not. Plus, she looks very very mixed, and may be playing a different European ethnicity with darker skin. You never know

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    1. She doesn´t look "darker European". But it doesn´t matter. Guinevere could have had black blood, because she was said to have Roman heritage and Roman people came from all the Empire, not just Italian Peninsula.

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  14. It is not about racism, it is about history, i do not think there was a magical portal for negros to be in the time of Merlin in Wales... It's history.

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  15. Honestly I don't care if the actress is black or mixed or whatever but at least make her attractive. I didn't find her to be any kind of great beauty and don't feel any real chemistry between her character and Arthur.

    If I had to choose a person to be cast as Gwen I would have chosen Gugu Mbatha-Raw. She's way more attractive and believable to be Gwen. I could at least be convinced of guys fighting over her.

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  16. She is supposedly mixed black white like Scary Spice, Halle Berry, Mariah Carey, etc. Simply hot looking. Give her a break

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  17. I'm on season 4 now and there are tons of black people in it. It's entirely unrealistic for the time period in England. I normally wouldn't care, because the whole premise of the story with magic and everything is unrealistic anyway. However, you'll never see a movie about American slavery with white slaves or a film about Africa with white tribal members because THAT would be unrealistic, so this is just a case of being politically correct to make everyone happy. Irritates me because it's so one-sided.

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    1. (not to be rude)remember its just a t.v series, its meant to entertain and it don't matter if she is white, black or biracial.

      Wait a minute so you're trying to say that during that time period in England magic did exist. That's the way you're taking it that Gwen is black(maybe)and shouldn't be part of it because it doesn't fit the time period when something like this took place 100s of years ago

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    2. Sean believes there were talking dragons and bunsen burners during Auther's time, really?

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  18. why are some people posting racist comments, and yes if she is black doesn't make her any different from any other race. We were made to love each other no matter where you come from or what your race. DO you think by posting ignorant and racist comments, the world will get any better? its high time you stop fooling yourself and grow up.

    Angel Coulby plays the role excellently it doesnt matter if she is black or not. Do you think that everyone can just read a script and act it out infront of alot of people and putting up all those faces infront of your fans. It takes alot of guts to do that, so i think you guys should just get over it and watch the fantasy or just dont, but i know for one thing i will watch any movie or t.v series with black or whites as long as i like it.

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  19. um.. honestly based off the way you posted this entry you make it seem like have a minority on the show if kind of an hindrance/issue to the overall content of a good show/series. For goodness sakes its a series about magic seriously it's the 21st first century and perhaps some tv show producers/casting directors are starting realize how silly it is not to cast talented actors based on their race. The UK is a country populated by people of many different ethnic backgrounds who believe it or not are not just white (*gasp). And people should really stop using this "historical accuracy" platform excuse, I mean seriously neither your nor I were alive during the time period this show took place, for all we know Guinivere could have been black!

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    1. for all we know Guinivere could have been black!

      No, she couldn't have. It is clearly not historically accurate to have black people in medieval England, but - and this is the point of the post, really - given that this is NOT history but rather a made up story, then perhaps it doesn't really matter. Dragons and wizards are not historically accurate either and I don't see anyone complaining about that.

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    2. why is it that you only respond to those who want to look past race and enjoy the the actors for their craft? you don't speak up to those who are being blatantly racists. this post is crap and you mainly have trash posted here. possibly you could find something more interesting to talk about since it seems like you're blogs are only written to start shit more than anything instead of real intelligent discussions. or at least the intelligent rational comments seem to be belittled more than anything.

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  20. Well there are a lot of things that aren't historically accurate, look at Andromeda from Greek mythology, obviously African yet portrayed Caucasian in most forms of art, is there an answer for that, there surely weren't white kings and queens born to Libyan and Ethiopian parents in an Ancient Africa

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    1. Greek country of "Aethiopia" has nothing to do with modern Etiopia. It's a mythical place (usually said to be in Asia, extended as far as Babylonia) with mythical kings and mythical histories. It's a myth not based in any fact or any factual nation or race, so presuming that Andromeda belonged to African race (or any race for that matter) is quite ridiculous.
      She just as well could have been a green marsian ;-)

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  21. Eurasian Sensation, actually, Guinevere could have been black like Tin Tin said. You have to know your history, and it helps to know African history too. During the Crusades, many black people and others were captured as slaves and servants. And some foreigners were eventually able to assimilate into society. Even before the Crusades, before the Romans Christianized what is now Britain, there were foreigners, some of a darker complexion, that traveled up into Europe. And you know, Africans skin complexion varies a lot. There are light skinned Africans, and there are also dark skinned Europeans. There are some Indians, in Asia, that are darker than a lot of Africans. And actually, dragons and wizards are historically accurate as well. Before the Roman conquest of Britain, almost all of the citizens there were Pagans. There were witches, wizards, Druids, and they did practice rituals and magick. They still carried on even when some converted to Christianity. They just mixed their Pagan beliefs with Christianity. And you also may not know this, but there are wizards today, and I don't mean Harry Potter. There are real wizards and witches today that practice real magick. And dragons are an ancient species. There are real dragon bones - dinosaurs. Yes, dinosaurs. They could breathe out fire. Some could fly. They were dragons. There are stories and legends of dragons in almost every culture. They didn't just make it up.
    Back to Guinevere, (and this here is for everyone to know) you weren't there in that time period. And in that time, the view of "race" was different. There are real Black, African princesses and queens. Look up Empress Eleni of Ethiopia, for example. And whether you believe this or not, this is a fact: all of humanity comes from Africa. Africa is where all things began. And people can trace their roots straight to Africa. It is the motherland, whether you like it or not. Studies can prove it. Studies can also prove that there really is only ONE race, ONE species of humans, that come in a beautiful variety of shades and colors. In reality, people shouldn't even be using the phrases and words like "different races". There are different ethnicities and different nationalities.
    I also agree with what Jules said. Jules was on the spot with the truth.
    The Western part of the world does a very very poor job with teaching African history, if they teach about Africa at all. If you want to know the truth, then you have to open your eyes and ears. Broaden your mind. And research for yourself if you really do not want to be ignorant of the truth.
    There are brown skinned people all over the world. Even back in Arthur's day. People do travel. I admire and enjoy the show Merlin. In fact, it is one of my favorite shows on TV. It has more substance than a lot of those reality shows the media airs. You can search "Guinevere" and find so many historians and scholars, critics, that have their own view on who Guinevere was and the things she did, based on their research. It is said that Guinevere was of a Roman family living in Britain as sort of a ward of a Duke. Well, some Romans did have darker skin...

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    1. Really? Why does her name mean "White Fay" then? This is ridiculous. They even had to make her a made, because there weren't ANY black noble women there at the time. Later, yes. But in medieval England, no. Studies my ass. This was extremely weird for me, for I have read most of the Arthurian legends. Although coming from a person who believes there are wizards and witches and dragons were real it's kind of already comical.

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  22. yes and the show is suppose to be based off reality as well because medieval time they had dragons running around the place. if there is world where dragons and magical walk around with the living, i am sure there is room for a black Gwen. this show is a BLATANT adaptation, it is not at all similar to the story of the legend, it has similarities so i don't know why there is a need to get stuck on casting when this is clearly an adaptation and scifi.

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  23. also i don't understand look at movies when white people have protrayed people of colour like cleopetra or other ethnic people and jake gyleynhall playing a persian guy in prince of persia, and so many instances yes they is some complains but not as much as when a ethnic person is cast in a maybe "white" role. its a double standard. if the person act good let them do it

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    1. for the love of god, Cleopatra was greek. She wasn't black! Not even brown for that matter... At least wiki if you're unsure.

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  24. Its a tv show. who the fuck cares.

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  25. The funny thing is the people who are quick to notice that Gwen is played by an actress of mixed-race, and are so worried about historical accuracy are the ones who for some reason never speak up about the question of casting Tom Cruise as a samuria, or Keanu Reeves in The 47 Ronin. They never care that English and American actors always seem be cast as musketeers, or that you never ever see black people in Victorian England when the census data clearly shows that there were blacks in England in the 1800's.

    They do seem to care that hobbits should be white though. Stupid people really make me sad.

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    1. Tom Cruise was portraying a white US Army retiree. Did you even see the movie?

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  26. HISTORICALLY ACCURATE ANSWER! We need to keep in mind that the Authurian legend is set in SUB-ROMAN times and not during the high Middle Ages. This was the time right after the Roman withdrawal. The Romano-British who inherited power were busy fighting one another and resisting the incursions of the Germanic tribes. There were certainly black people in Britain during this time, though they would be a small minority, since most of them would have left during the Roman withdrawal.

    There is no dispute that there was a significant number of black people in Britain during Roman times. This is attested to by Roman inscriptions. They were three groups. [1] Roman soldiers and auxillary troops (the majority of black people were in this group) [2] Wealthy Romans and merchants (Analysis of a skull found in a Roman grave in York indicated that it belonged to an African or mixed-race female. Her sarcophagus was made of stone and also contained a jet bracelet and an ivory bangle, indicating great wealth for the time.) [3] Employees, servants & slaves of wealthy Romans and merchants.

    There were certainly mixed-race children, both legitimate and illigitemate, between all three categories of Romans and the Romano-British. Intermarriage between Romans and Romano-British is also an established fact. Also, since the Edict of Caracalla in 212 AD, all free men in the Roman Empire were given full Roman citizenship and all free women in Empire were given the same rights as Roman women. Mixed race people would have a higher chance of having ties in Britain and remaining there after the Roman withdrawal. Therefore, a character like the mixed-race servant Guinevere is not at all unlikely. Also, individual Roman soldiers and auxilaries may have been tempted to remain in Britain if they could get away with it and had a lucrative promise of patronage from local leaders. Thus, black soldiers working for a local king or chieftain is not at all inconceivable.

    These people, being a small minority, were ultimately absorbed into the British population, not affecting the general appearance of the British people.

    What is historically inaccurate about Lancelot and Authurian shows in general are the Norman codes of chivalry, the Norman concept of royalty, giant Norman castles, clothing, etc... which are all part of the times in which the Arthurian romances were written, and not of the much earlier time period in which the stories were actually set.

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    1. Wow, Dayffyd, you have explained what I´ve wanted to say with better words. Congrats!

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  27. It is really sad the many people just don't know their history.
    First, Arthorian legend is purely fictional, so how can it then be held to historical accuracy. Historians will tell you that there isn't enough historical evidence for even the existance of a King Arthur. Which means what we know of Arthur has been purely made up over the centuries with conflicting deplictions from text to text.Each retelling of the story has allowed the author much creative liscense. As to the subject of Gwen, there were many blacks existing throughout the roman empire and after its fall,including throughout England. They might have been few but they would have existed and they would not have only been slaves and servants. Remember the stigma of slavery equated with blacks didn't exist until probably the 16th century. Before then people with darker skin, would have been just another group of migrant workers either passing through or settling down in europe.

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  28. Well in 'Morien', the Arthurian romance, there was mention of a half-black knight, 'black of face and limb' so it is plausible to say that there was black people in medieval Europe (probably few though). Besides, there were Black people who had worked with the Roman army, so they may have settled in Europe during the Roman conquest.

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  29. Negro cast queen wtf show. Negro dumb as she looks.
    Katie far better than Angel. With no acting experience or drama college degree, Katie proved she is far better actress than Angel.

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  30. Can you please kill yourself, you fucking racist? Seriously, I've read your posts and they just piss me off. Call me a Black Sympathizer as you wish. I'm Russian. Pale as fuck. And I LOVE Black people. I think they're fucking awesome, and just as important as I am. You, on the other hand, are of no importance to anyone.

    And Janey was correct. Eurasian Sensation? You're a borderline bigot. You don't defend the black people or caution racists to no longer post in these comments. You're as worthless as Anonymous.

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  31. And no offense, but you sound just like a fucking nigger, Anon. Not the racist term, but what the term means. Ignorant. Poorly-educated. A worthless piece of shit who should have been aborted. Or swallowed. Your mother's stomach should have been beaten to a fucking pulp for spitting your worthless ass out of it's nasty, disease-filled, LARGE, rancid cunt.

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  32. Lastly, this woman bleeds like we do. I don't care if she was black, yellow, green, white or red. She bleeds red blood. I bleed red blood. I'm not really sure about you, though, Anon. So how about I slit your fucking throat and find out, mmm? You should probably be aware that I can have my sister-in-law trace your IP address. (Force Recon's kinda scary, isn't it.) And considering the fact that the both of us have Diplomatic Immunity in 13 different countries, I could kill your racist ass and get away with it.

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    1. Stupid comment. Animals bleed red too.

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  33. http://afroeurope.blogspot.com/2010/08/history-of-black-people-in-europe.html

    "But it is generally known that during the Muslim era of the Iberian Peninsula (from the 8th century AD until the 15th century AD) people with dark skin were part of daily live."

    Please shut the fuck up.

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  34. There were known Spanish Travellers from Muslim and Arabic Spain as Far north as Hedeby in Denmark in the 8th Century, from the travel books of Al Tartushi.

    The battle of Poitiers between the Franks and Muslims, took place in AD 732 in Northern France:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

    There was a personal bodyguard of Vikings to the Byzantium Emperors, known as the Varagian Guard, first recorded in about 1000 ad:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard

    There's one known reference to a "Blue Aethiopian" in Ireland pre 10 century:

    "Here before them, to the east, outside," said Crom Deroil, "I saw a band of their rabble. One man in their midst, with a black, pointed thick head of hair, having large, subtle, all-white eyes in his head, and a smooth-blue Ethiopian countenance; a ribbed garment in folds about him; a brazen clasp in his garment, over his breast; a large bronze wand in his hand, and a melodious little bell beside him, which he touches with his wand before the host, so that it gives pleasure and delight to the High-King and to the whole host."

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Intoxication_of_the_Ulstermen

    And the Spanish Blackamoors of Toledo, including when it was Muslim ruled before the Reconquistadora, were well known metalworkers and weaponssmiths who travelled all over Europe in the Middle ages and were sought after and highly paid by the warring barons of those times:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_steel

    (In Merlin, Guinevere is the the daughter of a, literal, Black Smith.)

    And For your Info, one of the most well known historical literary figures is Othello, who is according To Shakespeare, a Black Moor from Spain, serving as mercenary General to an Italian Princepality, when he falls in love with the Prince's Daughter:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Othello

    So, having the Mixed Race Daughter of a Black Smith in a small Anglo Saxon kingdom in the Early Middle ages, is a historically defensible attempt at ethnic balance to the Athurian Legend in modern Society.

    (If you'd like to check, you'd also find the having a Spanish Arabic Moorish (mixed race) Knight in Arthiran Legend os par for the course, stretching back to at least the 13th Century:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morien

    Though sometimes he's evil and a traitor, and sometimes he's not depending in the racism of the time.)

    Try to keep up with recorded history of at least 600 years ago, wont you, otherwise you might look a bit out of touch.

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  35. Help a Nigger!!! this show just needed more niggers in it!!! And hey give the shitty nigger second billing on the main credits!!! Hahaha!! this fucking shit skinned baboon got billing above Bradley James.... now how the fuck you think that happened??????? really!!!! tell me

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  36. Its completely against historical accuracey to have a black gueneviere. But the same with a young merlin. Hes supposed to be old. I don't see a problem with either. The problem is the actress angel coulby is hideously ugly yet we are supposed to believe she can win the hearts of arthur and lancelot. Please. Find someone at least a little attractive instead of one of the ugliest women in the world. Everything on her from her eyes to body to lips to nose to hair is ugly. ANyone who thinks otherwise is blind and will have ugly children from the frog you marry.

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    1. I agree. She IS butt-ugly and that's the main problem. But it does jar me to see a black women as Jennifer (modern spelling of the name). I doubt that name was chosen in the legend for a black woman due to its meaning. White Fay or Enchantress.

      The problem of her utter absence of charm or fair maiden look of medieval legend is what really ruins it for me. I also really hate that a minority issue is pushing this kind of artistic licence that is absolutely unnecessary. I got nothing against black people and have quite a few black friends. But I do hate this very much. Gay, black, whatever, shouldn't be a factor in choosing an actor. It just has nothing to do with art. There is no message about any black issues in the show, so this choice is nothing but a whimsical decision of the casting director or whoever did this paying tribute to current "party line" of lemming conformism.

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  37. one of King Arthur's knights, Morien, was half-black. So saying that there were no black people in arthurian England is a lie.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morien

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  38. I think it's great that there is a black Guenivere cast. I also think that any remake of The Seven Samurai should include a black or hispanic samurai, and that should a movie get made based on Masai or Zulu legends, there should at least be one white guy or an asian guy cast as a Zulu or Masai warrior.

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  39. I don't really care if Gwen is black or white or yellow or whatever, but... She isn't beautiful enough for men to fight for, in my eyes... --_--

    I watched this story because I liked Morgana and now she is... x.x

    I would have REALLY preferred if another actress was chosen for Gwen's role... Dark brown skin is ok... But ehh, someone more elegant...? =.="

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  40. There were black people in Britain as far back as 1800 years ago. They arrived there as members of the Roman army to help defend Hadrian's wall among other things.

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  41. Why is every white person on here whining about how Guinevere shouldn't be portrayed by a black actress since Queen Guinevere wasn't "really" black. Well, Guinevere didn't actually exist. Neither did dragons, for that matter. I have no idea why people care why she's not white. It's not like there is any shortage of white actors in this show, or any other. White actors aren't going anywhere, folks.

    And why should opportunities be denied to great actors and actresses because some people are so narrow-minded that they can't imagine non-whites in positions of power? The producers themselves said that, out of all those who auditioned, only Angel could portray both the quirky, clumsy, servant girl yet "bring out the Queen in her" when needed to. Bottom line, Angel Coulby is a fantastic Guinevere, and anyone who disagrees obviously wasn't watching the same show as me.

    I suggest reading these great posts on Angel's casting:
    http://irresistable-revolution.blogspot.com/2011/04/unbearable-whiteness-of-being-part-ii.html and http://zahrawithaz.livejournal.com/3634.html

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  42. yeah totally ugly :( I wish there is the better one to play this role :(...

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  43. she ruined merlin :(....

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  44. We as Europeans should accept the fact that we become a minority on our own continent like the Native Americans did on their continent. In the future there will be no place for Native Europeans and the media helps to destroy our heritage and our cultures. Africans in Nordic mythology and Non-Europeans in reports about our history... deal with it... it will become much stranger.

    There will be a time in which Europeans are a minority in Europe. Watch TV and accept it or do what the Native Americans didn't when their continent got invaded by Europeans.

    565 Europe for Europeans

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